Réponse au COVID-19: Face au coronavirus, l’Europe des gouvernements ne marche pas – VoxEurop (français)

La pandémie de coronavirus fournit une expérience grandeur nature et en temps réel de la capacité de coordination des Etats européens – ou de son absence – dans un contexte où ils gardent la haute main sur la direction de l'Union européenne.

This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://voxeurop.eu/fr/2020/r-ponse-au-covid-19-5124486

The corona-crisis is a failure of the Western civilization; however I wouldn’t necessarily blame EU as such. It’s not even caused by the EU member states because there are EU members where decisions on measures taken are decided by each region (e.g. in Germany every Bundesland has its own measures).

The main problem is simply in people and their mentalities: Chinese regions struck by the virus adopted strict measures (including municipal quarantines, fast construction of new medical facilities - new hospitals being built in days - and forcing corporation to change their production to medical equipment - e.g. Foxconn replaced production of iPhones with production of respirators). People were disciplined in following the measure not only because of the strict control but because their sense of patriotism that wants to see their country in full swing again. And, indeed, by now there are almost no new cases, the country normally lives except everyone has to wear face masks and fever is measured before leaving houses… In South Korea it was similar.

In Europe such an orderly approach was not possible: Southern Europeans are not disciplined therefore even though their governments tried to adopt strict measures like in Asia, it didn’t help much because people didn’t follow them - the result was that chaos and casualties in countries like Italy and Spain are much higher than in Asia… Northern Europeans are arrogant and think about themselves that they are the elite of the world and nothing can happen to them. As a result, most northern European countries were reluctant to adopt any measures until it was too late, some of them even with “scientific” explanations like aiming to achieve “herd immunity” by infecting 60% of population (strongly believing that their hospitals “schaffen das”)… Eastern Europeans tried to adopt measures similar to the Asian ones too but their pandemic plans were rather shallow (especially in terms of mass supplies of supportive medical accessories like face masks) and since their global influence is low, they had big problems to secure the accessories from China (as the only place prepared to produce these accessories in mass production), were often scammed and unnecessarily spent huge amount of money on it. Moreover, since Eastern Europe is deemed by business as a colony to achieve big profits rather than a place where to apply social responsibility, their governments were not able to persuade the manufacturing industry corporation to change the production to medical devices (unlike e.g. in the UK where Boris Johnson persuaded - in the name of patriotism - their remaining manufacturing industry corporations like Rolls Royce to start producing ventilators for hospitals instead of engines). But overall, if we look at statistics (e.g. here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/), the eastern EU members manage the pandemics quite well so far.

As for central EU institutions: I actually don’t think that their goal is to cover the daily operative replacing the irresponsible local institutions (e.g. by building a huge store of medical supplies that would distribute these supplies at the time of crisis to individual member states). These should be responsibilities of every hospital, every care facility and basically every municipality to have their specific emergency plans and supplies. Similarly, I don’t think that EC should sent airplanes to pick EU citizens abroad. And even not that EC or ECB should print and distribute huge money (I guess Mrs Lagarde’s original statement - before she was denounced and forced to print enormous amount of money by the elite - was clear) - actually I even think that the “financial bazooka” could be the real reason why the elites let the pandemic spread in Western Europe because obviously someone will make huge profits… But the main goal of central EU institutions are long term - especially make common market self-contained without excessive dependence on external supplies, become friendly to innovative business (so far EU gives huge funds to universities and research but their achievements are then acquired by American or Chinese companies that them sell the final products for high prices back to EU), etc - simply put make EU the leading economic contender on the global scene.

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I agree with Flatus Vocis when it comes of “Western failture”. Western, not only European incapability to adopt strict measures similar to these of PRC, Taiwan, Republic of Korea or Japan ones show, than in case of real catastrophy (like pandemic of much worse virus than COVID-19, similar to Ebola)or war, West will loose without a fight. Italian or Spanish “dolce vita” is nothing more than a joke, I have never had a sympathy or even respect to Southern Europeans, when it comes to their lack of organization and discipline. In comparison, Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania are looking as far more disciplined and organized. South of Europe looks like ex-Soviet area which is similarity disorganised. Frankly speaking, the only winner of this pandemic is PRC and Communist Party of China. Chinese despite their early policy of concealing the danger, have nearly won this fight against COVID-19. What is interesting, Chinese scientists, only a year ago, have written a scientific article, claiming that coronavirus outbreak is only a matter of time. 100 years ago, dozens of millions of European have perished due to “Spanish flu”. Thankfully, we are much well prepared today and coronavirus itself is not as deadly as for example Ebola virus. Nonetheless we’ll who in Europe and in the West will fight this time as the first.

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Sólo tenían que haber hecho caso a mis recomendaciones, espero que los que queden las tengan en cuenta. No ninguneen el problema, quien de esto se haga más rico es el único que se beneficia. Kuba, no era española esa gripe, fueron unos soldados de un campo de entrenamiento donde se incubó, luego se trasladaron a Europa en medio de la IWW, pero en el frente de guerra no contaban los muertos por gripes, los que huyeron por los Pirineos y llegaron aquí sí fueron contabilizados. Me alegro de volver a leer vuestros comentarios. Con todos los conocimientos adquiridos en estos años intercambiando información cuando termine todo esto espero hacer muchas conferencias porque había una alternativa. Que no piensen en África que por diezmar la población de Europa ellos se libran, los europeos no hubiésemos permitido hacer esto a otros pueblos, ya aprendimos en la IIWW a no volver a repetir más guerra, les llevamos vacunas y conocimiento, pero sin nosotros ahora ya no tendrán escrúpulos en hacer reducción masiva de la población de África porque no le pondremos resistencia. Esta última información la ley hace tiempo, lo negué al principio, no se lo revelé a nadie, pero si ahora es útil reaccionen y paren a los autores. El artículo 102 de la CE es la clave para actuar al terminar, hay que dar un castigo ejemplar que sea recordado y hacer una ley especifica que permita la pena de muerte para estos casos, esto también es una forma de hacer la guerra, no es un accidente. Nunca fue un coronavirus, si lo era no se justificaba las muertes de China, pero no se quiso hacer nada para permitir que entrara y cuando lo hizo le tenían preparada una fiesta.

I’m indeed afraid this is the worst consequence of the pandemic in long term. No country in the Western world was prepared to it (failings of the USA in this respect was aptly depicted by John Oliver in his latest talk-show - https://youtu.be/_066dEkycr4?t=189) and the Western population does not know how to behave in such a situation. The pandemic spread is thus unnecessarily faster and deeper and the damage to economy more massive than that in Asia. As this vlog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X_a5Ux59nM from a Chinese city published on February 28th shows, in one month since the outbreak of the virus, Asian cities were already fully operational, the citizens only needed to follow strict measures (like wearing face masks and isolating people who were not healthy) to minimize the risks of spreading. In Europe, there are suggestions that the paralysis of lives in European countries will take many months and damage to economy will be massive while Asian countries will be economically fully operational. This will further accelerate the gap between growing Asian economies and falling Western economies. And I don’t even mention the propagandist victory as China now looks as the saviour of the humanity because it is the only place in the world able to supply necessary medical equipment.

Therefore, I strongly urge Europeans and Americans not to waste time by shock-absorbing, hysteria or mourning but come to terms of the situation quickly and utilize their creativity (because creativity is still a aspect were individualistic Western societies are stronger than community-driven Asian ones) for adapting for the virus threatening situation as best as possible. This means in a way that they minimize risks of spreading the virus yet they live as normally as possible, including full economic activities. Politicians can only assist in this effort but it is up to creativity of every person, community, institution, corporation, etc. to find the optimal way to operate!

Fortunately, I can already see examples of such positive creativity especially in case of ordinary people and small companies: for example, a technological company producing maps has quickly developed a system to track and notify potentially infected patients, another company has been preparing blueprints to be able to print medical devices on 3D printers, shopkeepers increase hygiene of their shops and minimizing risks for shop assistants to be able to continue in operations, university students are helping in their fields or helping to look after children of people who need to go to work during the school closures, … and a lot of ordinary people make face mask for them and people from their communities. It’s now time for the “big business” to finally adapt instead of shutting down production and waiting for massive financial “bazooka” from the state (that tax payers will have to repay for a decade) that would compensate losses! Their behaviour so far is a shame and unfortunately, many politicians and central bankers only support such a moral hazard by competing who will promise bigger financial injection to them :-1:

Italian or Spanish “dolce vita” is nothing more than a joke, I have never had a sympathy or even respect to Southern Europeans, when it comes to their lack of organization and discipline. In comparison, Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania are looking as far more disciplined and organized. South of Europe looks like ex-Soviet area which is similarity disorganised.

Abito in Italia, e ti posso dire invece che, contrariamente a quanto potresti pensare, in questa occasione i cittadini sono molto disciplinati, fanno quanto richiesto dalle autorità e anche più di quanto richiesto. Il problema, a mio parere, è che vengono presi alcuni provvedimenti irrazionali, contraddittori e poco efficaci (nella mia regione, dove ci sono pochi contagi, è assolutamente vietato andare a fare una passeggiata nei campi senza incontrare nessuno, mentre nelle città come Milano è ancora consentito prendere la metropolitana), e invece non se ne prendono altri più efficaci e mirati, ad esempio per evitare la diffusione dei contagi negli ospedali, dove ci sono stati i più grossi focolai dell’epidemia, e non vengono eseguiti tamponi a campione nella popolazione per indivituare e isolare il possibile inizio di focolai.

No matter how many times the EU ‘falls on its backside’ there are some that despite all evidence to rage contrary, will always support it and forever point to the ‘wonderful success’ that lies just around the corner. Face it, the EU is a ‘can of worms’ , it always has been and always will be.

No matter how many times the EU ‘falls on its backside’ … EU is a ‘can of worms’ , it always has been and always will be

So pessimistic. We just have to wait for the virus to wipe us all out … God save the EU!!

Auch ich stehe der EU kritisch gegenüber. Aber es ist unfair, die EU als Sündenbock für nationale Schwächen und Fehler zu missbrauchen. Die EU ist für die Gesundheitspolitik nicht zuständig. Zuständig sind die Mitgliedsstaaten. Kritisieren kann man, dass die Koordination und die Kooperation zwischen den Mitgliedsstaaten nicht optimal funktioniert hat. Aber die Corona-Krise hat alle auf dem falschen Fuß erwischt. Und jeder EU-Staat hatte volle Hände zu tun, um national die erforderlichen Entscheidungen zu treffen. Inzwischen gibt es auch Hilfeleistungen zwischen den EU-Staaten. So hat Deutschland medizinisches Gerät (Beatmungsgeräte) nach Italien geliefert, obwohl unser eigener Bedarf noch nicht gedeckt ist. So werden in deutschen Kliniken inzwischen Patienten aus Italien und Frankreich aufgenommen und behandelt. Natürlich kann man immer mehr tun. Aber jedes Land muss zunächst einmal den eigenen Bedarf decken. Und soweit ich erfahren habe, hat Großbritannien das Problem auch nicht besser als andere europäische Staaten im Griff. Schadenfreunde und Häme auf die EU ist also nicht angebracht.

“The corona-crisis is a failure of the Western civilization; however I wouldn’t necessarily blame EU as such. It’s not even caused by the EU member states because there are EU members where decisions on measures taken are decided by each region”

What is the EU without its member states and what would the member states be without the EU?Member States would own responsibility without the EU, but they flee for 20 years from this responsibility.The EU cannot take responsibility because the is nothing without its member states.So nobody takes responsibility, the failure has the same reason as the failure on so many other levels. The countries have forgotten how to take responsibility for themselves. They have been used to blaming other countries for too long. But actually it has nothing to do with the EU, but with the euro.

Na ja, so schlimm wird es nicht werden. Gerade wir Deutschen haben viel schwierigere Situationen überlebt. Ich erinnere nur an die schreckliche Situation nach dem 2. Weltkrieg. Die deutschen Städte lagen in Schutt und Asche. Die staatlichen Strukturen waren zerstört. Die Menschen hungerten und froren. Und in das zerstörte Rest-Deutschland strömten 14 Millionen Deutsche, die aus ihrer östlichen Heimat vertrieben wurden. Sie brachten nur das, was sie auf ihrem Leib trugen, und einen hungrigen Magen mit. In den ersten Nachkriegsjahren starben rund 2 Millionen Deutsche an Hunger, Kälte und mangelnder medizinischer Versorgung. Mit Zuversicht, Willen und harter Arbeit ist unseren Großeltern und Eltern der Wiederaufbau gelungen. Wie heißt es in der Hymne der ehemaligen DDR: “Auferstanden aus Ruinen und der Zukunft zugewandt”

Yes, that is a form of moral hazard: Every manager of a hospital, a factory, a social care service, a municipality, etc. does not fulfill their duties. They enjoy sunny days and rely on the state believing that the state would solve any problem for them if any crisis comes. EU member states rely on central EU institutions, etc. Also small and single-person businesses that normally proud themselves of enterpraneuring spirit and enjoy profits during the sunny days, don’t have any emergency plans and saved money either and at the time of crisis demand compensations from the state (i.e. tax payers).

Therefore it should be every single person, every single company, every single institution to learn from the pandemic in order to be prepared for next time a crisis comes. But, unfortunately, all the massive state involvement in supplying the irresponsible institutions with lacking material and printing enormous amount of money suggests, that the only thing all these stakeholders will learn from the pandemic is: We don’t have to care, the state (or EU) will do that for us!

As for EU, if you see their moves and read e.g. here on VoxEurop points that they would like to see changed for the future, I’m afraid they didn’t learn at all. All of them strongly believe that any problem is solved by pouring it with additional heaps of money or by transferring money from one place to another.

But that, of course, does not help - EU officials have to start asking the questions like: “Why are there no companies that would supply basic medical equipment and drugs on the whole single EU market and everything must be imported from China or India?”. “Why do we have so good results in the primary research but so few European companies that would apply these results and the results then get to American and Asian companies that finalize them and take not only financial advantage but also use them during crisis on their own (i.e. non-European) markets?”. “Why do we have so under-developed digital infrastructure that we have to urge technological companies to cut quality of videostreaming to 480p?” And they should also ask organizational questions like “Do we indeed need to have multiple seats of European institutions and organize expensive and environmentally-unfriendly personal meetings of European institutions when we can very well do that be electronically?”… But I’m afraid, they are not mentally capable of doing it, so they will again try to solve everything by simply pouring showers of newly printed €s :frowning:

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We don’t have to care, the state (or EU) will do that for us!

Ich teile deine negative Sichtweise nicht. In Deutschland – und ich denke, in anderen Staaten auch – gibt es viele Initiativen, um die Krise solidarisch zu überstehen. Die Corona-Krise hat alle auf dem falschen Fuß erwischt. Niemand konnte eine Notsituation so großen Ausmaßes voraussehen. Natürlich sollte man in guten Zeiten Vorsorge für schlechtere Zeiten treffen. Wir Deutsche und andere Völker Europas haben dies zumindest finanziell getan. Es ist nicht unsere Schuld, wenn die Staaten Südeuropas nicht unserem Beispiel gefolgt sind. Aber man kann sich nicht auf den Weltuntergang vorbereiten. Pessimismus und Verzagtheit bringen uns nicht weiter. Zuversicht und harte Arbeit dagegen schon. In seiner langen Geschichte hat die deutsche Nation einige Katastrophen apokalyptischen Ausmaßes durchlitten. Ich erinnere nur an den Dreißigjährigen Krieg (1618-48), in dem ganze Regionen verwüstet und etwa 40% der Bevölkerung umgekommen sind. Und es gab damals keine staatlichen Hilfen für die Menschen. Oder der Zweite Weltkrieg und die unmittelbare Zeit danach. Die deutschen Städte lagen in Schutt und Asche, die Deutschen waren der Willkür der Sieger ausgesetzt , Millionen deutscher Männer waren in Kriegsgefangenschaft und mussten dort Zwangsarbeit leisten, 14 Millionen Deutsche wurden aus ihrer östlichen Heimat vertrieben, die staatlichen Strukturen waren zerstört, die Menschen hungerten und verhungerten, froren und erfroren. Und trotzdem haben die Menschen nicht die Zuversicht und den Mut verloren. Dagegen ist die Corona-Krise ein Kinderspiel.
„Davon geht die Welt nicht unter“

Harte Arbeit will belohnt werden .Aber die EU will die Belohnung ohne harte Arbeit .Wer nach deren Regeln spielt wird jeden harten Arbeiter verlieren .Warum hart arbeiten und sich sorgen ? Damit das Ergebnis der Arbeit “solidarisch” verteilt wird ?

After outbreaks of SARS, MERS, ebola, swine flue and other infectious diseases that were spreading around the world in recent years, it was only a matter of time before a disease that would be spreading faster and more easily than those previous ones appears. That’s exactly why THERE IS NO EXCUSE for neglecting the emergency plans at all levels!

Rescue and armed forces, national and local politicians, corporate managers, hospital and social care facilities managers, teachers, etc. paid significant attention to “civil protection” during the times of Cold War when there was a threat that an enemy uses a nuclear, chemical or a biological(!) weapon. Every municipality had a place where protective equipment for civilians was stored, shelter where citizens would hide at the time of emergency and detailed emergency plans. It may look funny but it started at kindergartens where even infant children were probing gas masks and protective suits, see https://youtu.be/f-Kj0lniSR0?t=160 I actually remember that at primary schools, one Friday every half a year was devoted to civil defense education including testing all the gas masks and protective equipment, recognizing emergency signals, simulating emergency transfers to an anti-atomic shelter, etc :smiley:

I understand that the peace times the need for such detailed regular emergency plans and training of all the civilians is not necessary, yet at least the rescue forces, armed forces, hospitals, social care facilities, and other critical organizations should have been prepared for operating at the situation of emergency where supply chains and other regular processes stop working. There is no excuse for their flippancy.

BTW, I’m strongly convinced that if people had had all the protective equipment (of coursed not as outdated as during the Cold war but using latest technologies including masks and overalls produced with nano-fibers), the world wouldn’t have been forced to stop and the economic damages would have been minimal (and German finance ministers would not have been forced to commit suicide having seen the economic damage :wink: ) . Simply because this protective equipment was designed for their wearers to live even in much harsher conditions!

I’m afraid we will see a tough thug-of-war between “the South” lead by France and “the North” lead by Germany about funding all the economic damages. A sneak preview was described in Politico that brought backstage information from the EU finance minister summits that argued about the Covid19 bonds guaranteed by all member states: https://www.politico.eu/article/netherlands-try-to-calm-storm-over-repugnant-finance-ministers-comments/

These disputes can indeed lead to breakup of EU or at least breakup of Eurozone because on the one side of the table we can see that southern EU countries don’t want to realize that their living standards cannot remain the same for a foreseeable future (and e.g. Spain stopped economy for at least two weeks promising 100% salaries still going to employees while states of northern Europe offered only 80% of salaries in a similar situation at maximum) and demanding a new “Marshall plan”, and on the other side of the table we can see northern EU politicians and economists who would rather commit suicide - like Thomas Schäfer recently - than accept any disastrous economic or fiscal measures.

So we will indeed be living in interesting times and nobody knows how it evolves…

> After outbreaks of SARS, MERS, ebola, swine flue and other infectious diseases…

Ich bleibe bei meiner Meinung, dass niemand das Ausmaß der Pandemie und die enormen Auswirkungen auf das soziale Leben und die Volkswirtschaften vorhergeahnt hat. Die von dir aufgelisteten Infektionen hatten alle sehr begrenzte Verbreitung und kaum Auswirkungen auf Gesellschaft und Wirtschaft. Sicher muss der Mensch mit immer neuen Krankheitserregern und Infektionen rechnen. Ich bin auch überzeugt, dass aus der Corona-Krise Lehren ziehen wird und sich besser gegen zukünftige Infektionen wappnet. Aber auch dann wird es im Ernstfall immer zu wenig sein. Ich denke, mit diesen Unzulänglichkeiten müssen wir leben. Ein anderes Kapitel ist die finanzielle Vorsorge. Eine alte deutsche Volksweisheit empfiehlt: “Spare in der Zeit, dann hast du in der Not.” Diese Idee hatte der Ökonom Keynes übernommen, der Staaten empfahl, bei guter Konjunktur zu sparen und bei nachlassender Konjunktur zu investieren. Aber daran haben sich unsere Freunde der Mittelmeer-Allianz nicht gehalten. Sie haben stets mehr ausgegeben als sie eingenommen haben. Haushaltsdisziplin war bei ihnen verpönt. Und jetzt schauen sie neidisch auf die Finanzreserven der Nordländer - speziell Deutschlands. Unter dem Deckmantel der europäischen Solidarität wollen sie sich jetzt von den Nordländern finanzieren lassen. Ich bin froh, dass die standfesten “Hanseaten” (Niederländer, Österreicher, Finnen) ihnen Paroli bieten und unserer wankelmütigen Bundeskanzlerin den Rücken stärken. Frau Merkel sollte sich an ihren Amtseid erinnern, der sie zum Wohl des deutschen Volkes und nicht zur Finanzierung fremder Staaten verpflichtet. Im Übrigen bin ich der festen Überzeugung, dass wir aus dem Euro aussteigen sollten, bevor wir endgültig von den Südländern in den finanziellen Abgrund gerissen werden. Die Eurozone ist nicht denkbar und existenzfähig ohne Deutschland, aber Deutschland braucht den Euro nicht.

> I’m afraid we will see a tough thug-of-war between “the South” lead by France and “the North” lead by Germany about funding all the economic damages.

Das sehe ich auch so. Ich stimme mit deiner Einschätzung überein. Ich denke, dass die östlichen Staaten Europas in wirtschaftlicher und finanzieller Hinsicht mehr Gemeinsamkeiten mit Deutschland haben als die Mittelmeer-Allianz unter Führung Frankreichs. Leider trennen uns die Schatten der Vergangenheit. Wenn man in die südeuropäischen Zeitungen schaut, dann gewinnt man den Eindruck, als seien die Südländer die wahren Europäer. Es wird viel von europäischer Gesinnung und europäischer Solidarität geschrieben. Aber dahinter steckt purer nationaler Egoismus. Ihre Regierungen haben nichts geregelt bekommen - zu inkompetent, zu chaotisch. Jetzt meinen sie, sie hätten einen Anspruch auf unbegrenzte und unbedingte finanzielle Hilfe aus dem Norden. Anstatt ihren Fokus auf Eigenanstrengungen und Haushaltsdisziplin zu richten, spekulieren sie mit dem Geld der Nordländer. Sie wollen ihr “Weiter-So” von den Nordländern bezahlt bekommen. Sie vergessen, dass die EU kein europäischer Superstaat, sondern eine Gemeinschaft souveräner Staaten ist. Sie wollen nur die Vorteile anderer europäisieren, eigene Vorteile geben sie nicht preis. So werden die Franzosen niemals die Verfügungsgewalt über ihre Atomstreitmacht oder ihren ständigen Sitz im UN-Sicherheitsrat der EU übertragen, aber auf die finanziellen Ressourcen Deutschlands wollen sie Zugriff haben. Die europäische Rhetorik Macrons sollte uns aber nicht darüber hinwegtäuschen, dass auch er in der französischen Tradition steht, wonach seinem Land keine Last zu groß ist, solange Berlin dafür bezahlt.

I described some of my views about this topic under a more recent article because this thread is already too long.

However, I would add here that my prediction is that the EU-wide corona-bonds will not be given a green light. Instead, as a compromise, a EU-wide tax will be imposed and revenues from the tax will be distributed among member states to compensate the losses from the suspensions of economy during the corona-virus outbreak. The practical implementation will be increase of VAT rates by several percent. This will make southern EU states satisfied and northern EU states could accept that - especially because Germany has already experience with similar instruments in case of the “Soli” tax.

I don’t think it will make any sense especially because it will be used for immediate consumption rather than investments with long-term effects but it is still better than a long-term poised climate among EU members states. BTW, citizens to some extent anticipate such a development because the latest polls show that the the thing they fear most in relation to outcome of the corona-virus pandemic is the price-hikes :wink:

However, I would add here that my prediction is that the EU-wide corona-bonds will not be given a green light. Instead, as a compromise…

Egal wie der Kompromiss aussehen wird, er wird zum finanziellen Nachteil Deutschlands sein. Vom ursprünglichen Stabilitätspakt ist nichts mehr übrig geblieben. Die Stabilitätsregeln, die bereist vorher von den hoch verschuldeten Staaten ignoriert wurden, sind jetzt offiziell von der EU-Kommission außer Kraft gesetzt worden. Und wer glaubt, dass sie nach Überwindung der Krise wieder eingesetzt werden, der glaubt auch an den Weihnachtsmann. Auch das Verbot, dass Euro-Staaten ihre Schulden vergemeinschaften, ist bereits beseitigt. Der Sündenfalls hat mit dem Rettungspaket für Griechenland angefangen. Die Gläubigerstaaten haben Griechenland nach und nach Konditionen eingeräumt, die einem Schuldenerlass gleichkommen. Und den Rest des Geldes können die Gläubigerstaaten auch abschreiben. Der nächste Verstoß gegen die Non-Bailout-Regel ist durch den massenhaften Kauf von Staatsanleihen durch die EZB geschehen. Deutschland trägt dabei das größte Risiko. Und wer glaubt, das Risiko sei nur theoretisch, irrt gewaltig. Gerade im Hinblick auf die rasante Verschuldung durch die Corona-Krise werden die Südstaaten nicht in der Lage sein, ihre alten und jetzt neu aufgenommen Schulden zurückzuzahlen. Wir Deutschen werden die Dummen sein, die dann dafür einstehen müssen. Das gleiche gilt auch für die Kredite, die der ESM und die europäische Kreditanstalt den Südstaaten geben werden. Auch hier trägt Deutschland das Hauptrisiko. Auch diese Kredite werden mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit von den Südstaaten nicht zurückgezahlt werden. Ebenfalls die Kredite, die Deutschland den defizitären Euro-Staaten über das Target-System der EZB leiht - Stand 2019: rund 950 Milliarden Euro - werden nicht zurückgezahlt werden. Alles in allem ein Verlust in astronomischer Höhe, den Deutschland erleidet. Wer angesichts dieser Sachlage behauptet, Deutschland profitiere vom Euro und der EU ist ein hoffnungsloser Ignorant. Offen gesagt, ich beginne die EU zu hassen. Ich beneide die Briten, die sich rechtzeitig von dieser EU-Mafia getrennt haben.