European elections: Closing in on target for gender parity in the European Parliament – VoxEurop (English)

The European Union elected a record number of women MEPs in the latest European Parliament elections. However, men still hold almost 60 percent of seats.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://voxeurop.eu/en/2019/european-parliament-5123486

Yes, but it is not the will of the voters, but political will. If the politicians think they need more morality than their constituents, they are getting more and more away from their constituents - the people. That happens on all political levels.

Il me semblait bien qu’on n’y était pas encore ! Du travail sur la planche des nouvelles générations… Des quotas dans tous les pays seraient peut-être nécessaire pour donner l’expérience et l’envie, voire de nouvelles orientations par les femmes; Quand je vois comment cela se passe en France dans les partis politiques, j’y suis favorable. Si l’on regarde les chiffres fournis par l’article, le problème n’est pas qu’en France ! Un peu de courage parlementaires !:wink:

Every woman has the right to vote. Every woman has the right to join a party. Every woman has the right to stand as a candidate . What the women do with their rights is their business, not politics. Equal rights the women have. But not equal interest .When I see the women’s politics in Germany I can not say that this has brought something.

Il y a le droit et les applications du droit. Il y a aussi les perceptions… Les conditions d’accession aux postes à responsabilité dans les partis politiques et dans les instances politiques ne sont pas les mêmes pour les hommes et pour les femmes. Le savoir-faire des unes n’est pas toujours reconnu par les autres et les choix qui sont faits par les pairs tentent de favoriser les confrères et non les consœurs !

You do not understand me . If women and men are equally represented in parliament, that does not represent the people. Because women are not as interested in politics as men. Every political party has fewer women among its members than men. And nobody prevents a woman from joining a party. If women and men are to have the same opportunities, the unequal ratio of interest must be taken into account.If in a bowling club only 30 percent of the members are French, you also can not demand that in the bowling club’s board of directors 50 percent must be French.

ah bon ! Si les membres du club sont à 30% français, ils sont une grosse minorité = ils devraient être représentés au conseil d’administration (pas à 30%, mais être représentés). Ailleurs les Français ne représentent pas 50% de la population, mais les femmes si ! :wink:

Women in politics do not make 50 percent. Many are not interested. This can even be seen in the election participation. Women do not represent 50 percent of the voters, often not even 40. See here in the forum, how many women are interested? Women in politics should not represent a woman’s interest that does not exist. I know many women who like football. But even these prefer to watch the men. It is nonsense to say only women could represent women. If man and woman have equal rights, and if there is equality, then it does not matter whether the seat of parliament is for woman or for a man. A quota always makes a difference, and always prefers the woman.

L’idée n’est pas que les femmes représentent les femmes, mais qu’elles représentent 50% de l’humanité ! Les femmes ne sont pas intéressées par la manière de faire de la politique comme les hommes = elles désertent alors le milieu. Et quand elles s’y engagent, elles sont évincées par des méthodes musclées qui ne tiennent pas du partage, ni de la pluralité des responsabilités. Je parle de l’expérience française, naturellement, je ne connais pas les autres.

L’idée n’est pas que les femmes représentent les femmes, mais qu’elles représentent 50% de l’humanité ! Les femmes ne sont pas intéressées par la manière de faire de la politique comme les hommes = elles désertent alors le milieu. Et quand elles s’y engagent, elles sont évincées par des méthodes musclées qui ne tiennent pas du partage, ni de la pluralité des responsabilités. Je parle de l’expérience française, naturellement, je ne connais pas les autres.

You may be right . But that’s the competition and its methods. Women in politics use the same methods, and they benefit from the quota that discriminates against men. It’s not true that they do female politics. You can divide parliament - 50 percent women and 50 percent men. But there are also 10 percent of homosexuals and transexuals, and they also think differently than the average man or woman. Should you reserve 10 percent of parliamentary seats for this group? Once started with that, you will not find an end. My point of view is - man, woman or transexual - they are all human and everyone must have the same chance of every single seat in Parliament. France has only one president, and it does not matter if it is a man or a woman. So it must be for every politician, male or female. You can not say one - you can not get this job because you are a man. And that’s exactly what a women’s quota does. It has nothing to do with equal rights. Equality should distribute the opportunities equally, but not the offices.

@selber “Equality should distribute the opportunities equally, but not the offices.” nice argument ! Mais je trouve bizarre que l’élection des femmes soient moindre c’est-à-dire qu’il y ait surtout des hommes élus à des postes relevant de règles établies par des hommes ! C’est un peu comme sous la royauté, quand les règles étaient fixées par les nobles pour l’ensemble de la nation !

When men and women play chess around the world - must 5 women be in the top 10? Will never happen , unless you make a women’s quota.But then man and woman are not treated equal. It is not me who adapts his arguments to his personal feelings. Equality means everyone is equal. If man and woman are equal, how can you distinguish? You may not do it!

Lugdu, now I have to apologize. For this line - “What do you accuse me? I reject that from me! It is offensive and I expect an apology.” - The Googel translator deceived me, and I only noticed it now. I thought you meant I behaved like an King. That was a mistake, excuse me.

It probably happened because the text in the Translater contained English and French sentences. He played crazy there.

I don’t remember this sentence, I think I didn’t read it. I’ve read back all our conversation here, but don’t find it. It was perhaps in an other thread… Never mind, we have to be carefull from one language to an other, the background and translation make us on wrong way sometime. My knowledge in english isn’t so far as I can speak out in details. Therefor you have usually the original text from me. Mixing 2 languages in a reply may be a source of errors, of course ! ;-):wink: Have a nice day,

I think there is a margin of tension (problems) between theory and the practice of equality. Hence our divergence …

la même réponse en français "Je pense qu’il y a une marge de problème entre la théorie et la mise en pratique de l’égalité. D’où notre divergence… "

I had deleted the corresponding sentences with the correction function. But thought it was possible that you had already read them. Or someone else. Therefore, the correction of the error. But you can still write French, the translator has no problem there. The mistake happened because 2 languages were mixed. I write English because I checked the translations at my German comments and there were bad twists .

You are right, there are problems with the equality of man and woman . That’s because man and woman are not equal, and equal treatment means inequality, that inequality which has made nature . There are also many areas where women are superior to men. We should value the strengths of the opposite sex instead of accusing them of the weaknesses of our own gender. I mean that for man and woman . In this , we should be equal .